Quais games vocês jogam? Quais gostariam de jogar?

[Thanatos]

Sim, mas qual a graça de passar horas farmando, fazendo quests, etc se seu personagem vai ser no final só mais um clone dos 165468416984 outros personagens da msm classe? No Diablo 2 meu necromante focado em "bone spells" é completamente diferente the um summoner e de um focado em veneno. Mesmo um "bone" que colocou ou não colocou pontos em revive pra servir de distração é completamente diferente, com vantagens e desvantagens.

Fazer todo mundo virar um clone literalmente matou a vontade de upar e etc.

 Tem muito jogo que começa bom nas primeiras franquias e termina mau nas últimas. Acho que falta criatividade, por isso fazem as classes parecer clone uma da outra. Falta também  escutar os jogadores, tem muitas empresas de games que agem como ditadoras, no fim perdem muitos jogadores.

Eu sinceramente não entendo pq tanta empresa tem esta ânsia em retirar elementos de RPG em jogos de RPG. Na teoria isto faz o produto ser mais abrangente, só que o público que acha RPG muito complicado não vai pagar mensalmente pra jogar WoW. Querer isto, é como querer vender carne pra veganos. Veja o que aconteceu com Dragon Age. Zoaram no 2, zoaram mais ainda no inquisition e nunca mais vai ser um jogo como o Origins.

Aqui tem uma lista de elementos de RPG removidos do WoW(nem li tudo de tão grande.)

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Class & combat:

• Rogues had to craft their own poisons with special labs spread across the world
  
  
• Rogues could deactivate traps
  
  
• Rogues had to train lockpicking by opening lockboxes around the world. Special gloves even existed to help you.
  
  
• Stealth used to have levels and could be more or less effective. Items such as Nightscape Boots helped you being less detectable.
  
  
• Hunter started without any pet and had a quest to teach them how to tame one, enchancing the link between them. Now they automatically start with one.
  
  
• Hunter could use Eyes of the Beast to see through the eyes of its pet.
  
  
• Hunter's pet needed to be feed and had an happiness bar to manage.
  
  
• Hunters had 3 pets max. Each ones feel special. Now they carry a whole zoo in their bags.
  
  
• Hunters couldn't attack in melee range with ranged weapons.
  
  
• Bows and guns require ammunitions you had to craft/buy and put in special ammo bags.
  
  
• Warlocks had to get and carry soulshards in special bags.
  
  
• Warlocks had a Detect Invisibility spell. Now it's integrated in the UI for everyone.
  
  
• Death Knight's Raise Ally spell bring back people as... ghouls!
  
  
• Druids turned into tree form to heal.
  
  
• Priests had 2 uniques racial abilities.
  
  
• Mages have a Detect Magic spell and even a Khadgar's Unlocking (in beta) to crack lockboxes.
  
  
• Mages, Warlocks and blacksmiths could craft various oils and grindstones to buff weapons.
  
  
• Paladins could be played only by Alliance while Shamans were only for Horde.
  
  
• Weapons requiere skills, including hand fighting. If you equipped a kind of weapon that you didn't know yet, you needed to use it a lot before doing max DPS. You also needed to see a weapon trainer first.
  
  
• Speaking of trainers, you had to see a trainer in town to learn your new class skill/spell. Now it automatically spawn in your action bar as you level.
  
  
• Some spells only worked on specific mobs, strengthening the lore. Paladin's exorcism for example was to be used against undead/demons while now it works the same on any mobs.
  
  
• Magic/fire/frost resistance gears were useful against specific boss. Once again it strengthen the lore. Some mobs had fire resistance too and/or were weak against frost spells. Frost resistance gear was vital against Sapphiron etc.
  
  
• Classes were a lot more different: in term of rotation, but also some didn't have any interrupt, or any cc, or any group buff etc. In the same way, lots of class, especially pure DPS, didn't have a single heal. Now almost every class has the same set of interrupt/cc/heal/group buff.
  
  
• Mana and health regenerate way slower, so you NEEDED to stop and eat/drink every few fights. Food and drink actually mater, and mana for DPS caster mattered too. When's the last time you bought normal food in game?
  
  
• Spell levels (Holy Light 1, Holy Light 2 etc.) were useful to manage your mana.
  
  
• Each classes has unique quests to unlock specific stuff: mounts for warlocks and paladins, postures for warriors, druid's forms, poisons and Certificate of Thievery for rogues etc.
  
  
• Every classes had a extra equipement slot where you put your libram, sigil, throw, totem, idol, wand etc.
  
  
• Original talent tree allowed hybrid class to freely mix healing, tanking and dps abilities (even if it wasn't often imba!).
  

World & quests:

• Basic campfire required simple wood and a flint
  
  
• Reagents (candle, feather, stone...) were needed to cast lots of utility spells. Some could be simply bought but others needed farming all around the world.
  
  
• Auction Houses were local. Only Ironforge (for Alliance) and Oggrimar (for Horde) had one. Also goblin's AH were neutrals.
  
  
• You need to travel to dungeons and battleground. Now you don't even need to know where they are.
  
  
• Breathing bar was shorter and quests that required you to go under water didn't auto-give you water breathing buff like now.
  
  
• There was no instance in the world: If people were in the same place they see and could help each others.
  
  
• Quests objectives weren't displayed on your map.
  
  
• Lots of group quests so you have to, well, make group while leveling.
  
  
• Four Dragons of Nightmare were hidden around Azeroth and required raid-sized groups to be defeated.
  
  
• Some of the most powerful spells were only learnable from rares Codex. They dropped from dungeons or raids but weren't BoP so you could trade/sale them.
  
  
• Expansions or some raids used to be announced with huge pre-release events, like The Gates of Ahn'Qiraj, Dark Portal Opens or the Scourge Invasion. This was abandoned after Cataclysm.
  
  
• One of the most epic quest-chain had a cook recipe reward. You needed a group to loot the mats from elite chimeras.
  

Professions:

• Rare recipes required you to travel all over the world, either to find/buy them or to do special quests and even dungeons to unlock them. For example you needed a priest to mind-control a mini-boss to teach you Enchanted Elementium; now it's just a drop.
  
  
• Some crafting recipes (Sulfuron hammer, engineer Jeeves/Chopper, some food...) required lots of work and mats. Now it's just a couple, rarely 3, max.
  
  
• Sound logical, but you actually needed a fishpole to fish, a knife to skin, a hammer for blacksmith etc.
  
  
• You had to level gathering before getting to the next zone. Now tou can skin/gather in Draenor even if you're level 1.
  
  
• You need the actual mats to be in your bag. Now you can have them in your bank and craft anything in the wild.
  
  
• Alchemists and jewelcrafters needed alchemy lab to make some of the best flasks and reagents.
  
  
• Some professions had sub-specialisations: Blacksmith could specialize in weapon-smith or armor-smith; Alchemist could become transmute, potion or flask masters; Engineers could focus on goblin or gnome recipes. (some of those specialisations still exist but aren't updated anymore)
  
  
• Skinners could skin either normal leathers or scales (used for mail armor). Now only normal leather exist.
  
  
• Some creatures (like Onyxia) required special tools to be skinned, which rewarded you with very rare scales to craft unique gear.
  
  
• Blacksmiths and engineers could craft keys and bombs that you could buy to open lockboxes or doors.
  
  
• Only enchanters could, well, disenchant items.
  
  
• There was a weekly Kalu'ak Fishing Derby in Northrend.
  

PvP:

• World PvP ranks with specific rewards like gear but also repair discount or access to a special World Defense channel.
  
  
• Alterac Valley lasted for hours with lots of PvE quests included, You could even summon bosses to fight for your side! (You can still technically do it but it's not relevant anymore)
  
  
• You could loose honor if you killed civilians from opposite faction.
  

Flow of time:

• Gold was scarce, it took a LOT of time to save up 10g. Now you can literally make thousand of gold in a day.
  
  
• Mounts had different speeds. Now they all go to your max speed. Also summoning mount took twice as long (3 sec vs 1.5 sec now)
  
  
• Leveling took way longer.
  
  
• Mobs were harder to kill. While leveling you could pull a couple of them but more without CC often meant death. Same for rare mobs who requiered a group.
  
  
• No instant mail, even to alts. Now there are mailboxes every 20 yards in every cities.
  

Misc:

• You couldn't have Alliance and Horde chars on the same PvP server, which helped faction pride.
  
  
• Tauren could plains run (in beta)
  
  
• Undead could speak common (in beta)
  
  
• Keys existed. To open special doors you had first to find the key, ask a rogue to picklock it, have a blacksmith craft a key or use an engineer's charge.
  
  
• Dungeons were real mazes that could take hours to complete. Now it's mostly 3 bosses separated by corridors that took less than 20 minutes to defeat.
  
  
• Realm reputation mattered.
  
  
• Housing was tested in early alpha (as seen in this video): players could buy/build their own house in Stormwind/Goldshire.
  
  
• Being part of the Brew of the Month Club rewarded you with a monthly sample beer.
  
  
• When hard raid mode was first introduced (in Ulduar), it was done via in-game action, ie: you had to do trigger specific things during an encounter. Now it's via a click on a menu. (this kind of gameplay removal is very well explained in this video)
  
  
• To earn reputation in a dungeon, you had to wear a specific tabard. Now you have to click an option in a menu.
  
  
• Some raids couldn't be entered directly, you first had to do some questline to unlock them. Now you can even kill a boss *before* knowing about his story (Isthar in HFC for example).
  

Quem quiser a fonte : https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/179...d-from-WoW

Eu concordo que o Vanilla WoW precisa de algumas melhorias. Por ex, jogando de Warlock, eu preciso de "soul shars", qual o problema disto? Uma sol shard = um espaço no inventário. Eu acabo perdendo "mochilas" justamente por causa disto, elas ocupam espaço de mais. A solução pra isto seria fazer poder carregar até 50 soul shards em um único espaço. Não remover isto completamente e matar a fantasia de ser um mago "maligno" sugando parte da alma dos inimigos. 

Sobre a munição, eu acho que dava pra melhorar o sistema. Imagine se desse pra ter vários tipos de munição pra armas de fogo e se você usa uma munição com mais pólvora, ela custa mais, mas desgasta mais sua arma e é bem mais cara? Ou ainda de prata que da mais dano em mortos vivos, lobisomens e etc. Ou se desse pra "imbuir" magia em flechas. Daria pra melhorar de tantas formas munição no jogo. Pra que remover? Daria pra ter uma classe típica especializada em usar uma espécie de "magia rúnica" em armas de fogo com recursos típicos. Mas não, tem que remover todo elemento de RPG num RPG...